Unskewing the Facts and Figures

Here's a prime example of how Harry and company "logically" "prove" their points using "actual data"


One of the "brilliant" (or so she would like to think) and dishonest commenters over at White Women Suck posted this recently in the latest thread over there. Her comment will be in blue and my response in red. She compares movies in pairs, some how trying to prove through it what white women prefer to watch.


But her comparisons are skewed and random so they are hardly valid.

Ashe Said:

According to Box Office Mojo"



Anon, thank you for that eloquent comment and for providing that site. I'm not sure who the anon is that she is addressing, I don't read everything over there these days (too much of the same old crazy crap); I just happened to notice this gem from Ashe when it was at the bottom of the comment section so it popped right out at me. But if I get time (and the motivation), I will go and look and see what idiocy this anon posted as well.



Here's a few of the million examples I could think of as well. I only listed domestic gross income, because it is white American women in question.

Monster's ball: $31,273,922 (which Halle won an oscar for)

Save the last dance: $91, 057, 006 (unattractive blond actress dates a black guy)

My first observation is that this is such a random comparison. To accurately compare movies they need to be at least vaguely similar in terms of genre, target age group, etc. So let's look at those details for a moment


Monster's Ball
Release: March 2002

In release: 23.3 weeks

Widest Release: 714 theaters (opening weekend in 660 theaters)

Genre: Drama
Running Time: 1 hrs. 51 min.
MPAA Rating: R (only adults can attend)
Production Budget: $4 million (by the way if the production budget was 4 million that means it wasn't a flop.)


Save the Last Dance

Release : January 2001

In release: 24 weeks
Widest Release: 2,570 theaters (opening weekend 2,200 + theaters - wider release means more people have easy access to it more tickets likely to be sold)

Genre: Music Drama (Not anywhere near as "heavy as Monster's ball and "Dance Movie"
Running Time: 1 hrs. 53 min.
MPAA Rating: PG-13 (In other words teenagers over thirteen can go alone and younger children can go with their parents - much bigger potential audience)
Production Budget: N/A



My second observation is that maybe (probably) women didn't rush out to see this one because it starred Billy Bob Thornton in the leading male role, and I don't know of many women (aside from Angelina Jolie who was going through a strange and dark phase when she did) who fancy him. I have a feeling that it wasn't so much about seeing Halle as leading woman / love interest turning people off, as it was the notion of Billy Bob as a leading man / love interest. For those of you unfamiliar with Billy Bob's stellar looks, here's a shot from the film:


I don't know, but last time I checked most women in general don't go for the trailer park lord look. He looks like a Billy Bob.



I also have to say that the Oscars, no matter what the color of the stars in the movies that win them, isn't always an accurate indicator of how well a film is going to do. I saw Monsters Ball, it was depressing as hell from the get go and hard to watch - not at all the kind of movie I enjoy watching.


I saw Save the Last Dance (on video) too. While the acting in Monster's Ball was admittedly much better, this movie was just way, way less depressing. Plus, like many people, I like to watch things involving dance. I don't think Julia Stiles is beautiful, and watching it had nothing to do with that. As it featured young people (teenagers) and it was rated PG-13, it also appealed to a bigger audience and to the particular group that frequents movies quite a bit - teenagers.



And lastly and most importantly, why the hell is this movie's not raking in 100s of millions the fault of white women any more than it is the fault of any other group - especially the other majority group - WHITE MEN? This movie never claimed to be a chick flick, Billy Bob is just as much the star as Berry is, if not more. So why are women to blame for the box office results? I think we all know the answer, they aren't, they are just scape goats.


The Joy Luck Club: $32,901,136 (all asian women)

The First Wives Club: $105,489,203 (all white women)


Aside from the fact that they start with the word "the" and end with the word "club" these two movies have absolutely nothing in common. There is no way that anyone could expect them to draw the same audience numbers.

First let's adjust the ticket prices so they are the same year: In 1993 the average ticket price was $4.14 and in 1996 it was $ 4.42. So in 1996, the amount that the Joy Luck Club would have made was about 35 million, not that much more, but still they should have argued with accurate numbers.

Now let's look at the movies.

• Joy Luck Club: Drama starring unknown actors / actresses.
  
  
• First Wives Club: Comedy starring a triumverate of some of Hollywood's most powerful and well known actresses.
  

In other words, FWC is more likely to appeal to a larger crowd - everyone knows that comedies have a greater appeal than dramas. I am sure if you asked a man to choose one to watch with his wife, the average American "Joe" would pick FWC. That's a no brainer.

• Joy Luck Club: Rated R
  
• First Wives Club: Rated PG
  

In other words, FWC has a bigger potential audience.

• Joy Luck Club: Running Time 2 hrs. 19 min.
  
• First Wives Club: Running Time 1 hrs. 42 min
  
  

I don't think I have to even explain this one.

• Joy Luck Club: Widest Release 600 theatres
• First Wives Club: Widest Release 2,406 theaters
  
  

So the FWC was shown in more than 4 x the number of theaters than the JLC was - I am sure this had some affect on the box office results.

Legend of Chun Li: $8,702,482

Elektra: $24,409,722

I don't even know if I should bother with pointing out Ashe's stupidity in posting this one, but I will anyway. The Legend of Chun Li is still in theaters, so I don't know how the hell she can compare Box Office results. Also, the Legend of Chun Li has a teenage boy / white male audience target audience. Elektra does too, so what is she proving? That more white men prefer to watch white women in action flicks? Thanks for pointing out what we already know, Ashe, and proving my point. Also, best of all, they devoted a whole thread to bitching about how the Legend of Chun Li's Kristin Kreuk is virtually a white woman, since she is half white and therefore that was proof of white women's evil grip on Hollywood. Now they want to turn around and claim that the reason the movie's low box office numbers are a reflection of a fact that white women don't want to watch it because it stars a WoC? Can anyone tell me the "logic" of this? Because it escapes me.

In relation to the earlier claims they made abotu Kristin. I would like to point out here on a side note that it is funny how they negate (when convenient for them) the ethnicity of someone like Kristin Kreuk, because she is half fair skinned minority.

Elektra also showed in three times as many theaters. In the opening weekend, Chun Li earned a bit more per theater than Elektra did. Elektra was also a spin off of the Daredevil movie so it had a history.

Something New: $11,468,568

Single White Female: $48,017,402

First, I have to say, until I looked it up, I didn't even have a clue when Something New showed in the theaters because I had never heard of it until I read the rantings of Harry and company. It certainly didn't get a lot of hype where I am living. For those who don't know, hype = increased ticket sales. That aside....

• Single White Female: Genre: Thriller Starring Bridget Fonda and Jennifer Jason Leigh in their Hay days.
  
• Somthing New: Genre: Romantic Comedy Starring unknowns.

You can't compare a thriller starring the offspring of Hollywood Legends to a Romantic Comedy starring unkown actors that got so little marketing most people didn't even hear of it.

This one is just SAD.The Color Purple, one of the best movies of all time: $94,175,854

Sweet Home Alabama: $127,223,418 (WHY?)

This has GOT to be one of her most random and dishonest comparisons.

Why dishonest?

The Color Purple Release Date: December 20, 1985 - average ticket price in 1985 was $3.55. Sweet Home Alabama Release Date: September 27, 2002. - average ticket price in 2002 was $5.81. That means that the Color Purple at 2002 ticket prices would have made MORE THAN 154 Million, in spite of the fact that it was a period Drama - probably the least popular genre with men if it doesn't involve war or gladitorial combat - and Sweet Home Alabama was a Romantic Comedy; a genre, which as I have pointed out above, is more likely to get some men in the audience too.

Why random?

Why pick two completely unrelated movies of different genres shown 17 years apart to compare? The answer is simple. Because, Harry and crowd are so desperate to paint white women as a crowd as monstrous selfish creatures that they will use anything to try to do it.

Now lets compare it to ACTION movies and MOC.

The forbidden Kingdom: $52,075,270 (Jackie Chan and Jet Li)

The Transporter: $25,296,447 (white guy)

I am legend: $256,393,010

Quantum of Solace: $168,368,427

Beverly Hills Cop: $234,760,478

Top Gun: $176,786,701

There are so many movies starring white men; of course you can find ones that haven't done so well as a the few starring black men. So what is she proving? Nothing, because, you can also find a movie starring white men that have done much better than ones starring men of color. In fact if I were to argue true to Ashe form, then I could rightly ask why did "Dumb and Dumber" ($127,175,374) earn more money than "Malcom X" ($48,169,910)? Almost 3 times more in fact? Is it because white men refuse to see a movie starring a black man? Or a movie about a black man, whose memory many in the black community honor?

There are MANY MANY examples of MOC grossing more profit in action movies. It's almost as though MOC are MORE LIKELY to gross huge action-movie profits then white men.

Huh? Say what again?

It's almost as if ASHE is SMOKING CRACK while she writes these things.

I don't think it's because wm are dying to see MOC, but more that the race of the stars chosen has no baring on whether or not they see it. Special effects and fighting sequences seem much more relevant to the guys :-P.

Really Ashe? Is that true? Then why did Ali only make $58,203,105? - less than half of what Dumb and Dumber made. And why did Rocky, a movie about a fictional white boxer, make $117,235,147 (IN 1976!!) almost exactly twice the amount Ali (true story of a legendary black boxing champion) made without even adjusting the numbers for inflation. (Adjusted for Inflation Rocky made more than $306 Million). In fact all of the Rocky Movies made more than Ali did except for Rocky V which when adjusted for inflation made only a about 3 million less.

But white women would much rather see a bad movie with Reese Witherspoon than an oscar winning, compelling story with breathtaking cinematography--simply because a WOC is in it.

I just proved above that this is not actually true. In fact Memoirs of a Geisha made almost as much as Ali and Malcom X did (when adjusted for inflation). But the black community is much bigger than the Asian American Community so you can also assume that they made up a bigger portion of the ticket sales for Ali and Malcom X and also Ali starred a big name star whereas Memoirs of a Geisha did not really have any big name stars aside from Michelle Yeoh, who is hardly as well known as Will Smith.

Romance/dramas are likely to TANK if a white woman is not on the cover. White women absolutely refuse to see non-ww as love interests MOST of the time, and are too racist to relate or stand for a non-ww in the lead. This fact is too concrete to be up for debate.

The Color Purple didn't exactly "tank" did it? And I have debated quite nicely here, so nothing she is saying is too concrete as she claims. Maid In Manhattan didn't "tank" either. In fact Maid in Manhattan (Romantic Comedy Starring Jennifer Lopez) made about as much money as Legally Blonde (Romantic Comedy Starring Reese Witherspoon) did. Hitch (a Romantic Comedy with Eva Mendes in the female Lead) was quite popular ($179,495,555) and let's not forget The Bodyguard shall we? Back in 1992, a romance starring a Black Woman (Whitney Houston) and a White Man (Kevin Costner) made ($121,945,720).

In addition, there's Lethal Weapon,

(Where Danny Glover gets to provide comic relief at his own expense??)

Money Train, Trading Places, Independence Day, Pulp Fiction, Shanghai Noon, Remember the Titans, White Men Can't Jump, and several other HUGE box office hit films featuring white men as partners/equals to MOC.

How many co-star films have we seen with WOC and ww? No, I don't mean a morbidly obese black female to highlight the desirability of the white women in the lead. I mean one where share they *gasp* share the spotlight, as partners or as equals. Not many. I really can't think of one.

Really? Because I can. The Charlies Angels Movies Pop to mind. How to Make an American Quilt. No, there don't seem to be as many as there are with white men and men of color, together, but then again, the "buddy genre" was a kind of movie created to exclude women and target men. Also, I can think of more than a couple movies where the woman of color is made to look BETTER than white women and has a bigger role. Sure it's not enough, but the actual box office numbers as I pointed out above don't indicate that white women hate seeing WoC in leading roles. In fact the below shows that, when a woman of color appears in a good movie, white women don't seem to mind seeing them. I would like to add here that they are now obsessing about the movie Obsessed and arranging it so that if it does badly they can accuse whitte women of making it fail and if it does well they can accuse white women of making it do well because they like to a white woman stealing a black woman's man. What a load of crazy shit.




More Accurate Comparisons:


Group 1 (Comedy)

• Sister Act: Domestic Total Gross: $139,605,150 (in 1992) (Comedy Starring a black woman)


• First Wives Club: Domestic Total Gross: $105,489,203 (in 1996) (Comedy Starring three big white female stars)


• Private Benjamin: Domestic Total Gross: $69,847,348 (in 1980 -if adjusted, this is still a lot less than Sister Act) (Comedy Starring Goldie Hawn)
  

Group 2 Action / Adventure (with Female Star)

• Elektra: Domestic Total Gross: $24,409,722 (in 2005) (Action / Adventure Starring Jennifer Garner)


• Catwoman: Domestic Total Gross: $40,202,379 (in 2004) (Action / Adventure Starring Halle Berry)

Group 3: Drama / Comedy Drama

• Waiting to Exhale: Domestic Total Gross: $67,052,156 (in 1995) (Comedy /Drama starring Whitney Houston and Angela Basset) Rated R


• Thelma and Louise: Domestic Total Gross: $45,360,915 (in 1991) (Crime Drama Starring Susan Sarandon, Gina Davis and a young Brad Pitt) Rated R

Group 4 Sci Fi Action / Thriller / Horror

• Terminator 2 Judgement Day: Domestic Total Gross: $204,843,345 (in 1992) (Sci-fi action starring white man with limited speaking and acting capabilities) (amount adjusted to 2007 ticket prices = almost $340 Million) Rated R (for those who don't know R = Restricted as in restricted audience)


• I am Legend: Domestic Total Gross: $256,393,010 (in 2007) (Sci-Fi horror starring acclaimed Black Male Actor) Rated PG -13
  
  

Group 5 Comedy

• Bringing Down the House: Domestic Total Gross: $132,716,677 (In 2003) (Comedy Starring Steve Martin and Queen Latifah)


• Fun with Dick and Jane: Domestic Total Gross: $110,332,737 (in 2005) (Comedy Starring Jim Carrey and Tea Leoni)


• The House Bunny: Domestic Total Gross: $48,237,389 (in 2008)(Comedy Starring Anna Faris and Colin Hanks)


• Bride Wars: Domestic Total as of Apr. 23, 2009: $58,690,669 (Comedy Starring Anne Hathaway and Kate Hudson)


• Romy and Michelle's Highschool Reunion: Domestic Total Gross:$29,235,353 (in 1997)(Comedy starring Mira Sorvino and Lisa Kudrow)


• Monster-in-Law:Domestic Total Gross: $82,931,301 (in 2005) (Comedy Starring Jennifer Lopez and Jane Fonda)

Group 6 Romantic Comedy

• Hitch: Domestic Total Gross: $179,495,555 (in 2005) (Romantic Comedy Starring Will Smith and Eva Mendes)


• Sweet Home Alabama: $127, 223, 418 (in 2002) (Romantic Comedy Starring Reese Witherspoon and Josh Lucas)


• How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days: Domestic Total Gross: $105,813,373 (in 2003) (Romantic Comedy Starring Matthew McConaughey and Kate Hudson.)


• Maid in Manhattan: Domestic Total Gross: $94,011,225 (in 2002) (Romantic Comedy Starring Jennifer Lopez and Ralph Fiennes)


• America's Sweethearts: Domestic Total Gross: $93,607,673 (in 2001) (Romantic Comedy Starring Julia Roberts, Catherine Zeta Jones, John Cusack, Billy Crystal, Hank Azaria)

Group 7 Period Drama / Drama / Romance

• The Color Purple: Domestic Total Gross: $94,175,854 (Date of Release: December 20, 1985) (Period Drama Starring Oprah Winfrey, Whoopi Goldberg, Danny Glover)


• Out of Africa: Domestic Total Gross: $87,071,205 (Date of Release: December 20, 1985) (stars Robert Redford and Meryl Streep and was released on the same day as The Color Purple.


• Vanity Fair: Domestic Total Gross: $16,136,476 (in 2004) (Period Drama Starring Reese Witherspoon)


• Memoirs of a Geisha :Domestic Total Gross: $57,490,508 (in 2005) (Period Drama Starring all Asian cast including Michelle Yeoh and Zhang Ziyi)


• Dangerous Liasons:Domestic Total Gross: $34,670,720 (in 1988) (Period Drama Starring Glenn Close John Malkovich, Michelle Pfeiffer, Keanu Reeves, Uma Thurman - veritable line up of Hollywood's big name actors / actresses) average ticket price only increased by 3 cents between 1988 and 1993 so I didn't bother to adjust this.


• Marie Antoinette: Domestic Total Gross: $15,962,471 (in 2005) (Period Drama Starring Kirsten Dunst)


• Joy Luck Club: Domestic Total Gross: $32,901,136 (1993) (Drama starring unkown Asian cast)


• What's Love Got to Do With It? Domestic Total Gross: $39,100,956 (1993) (Drama Starring Angela Bassett and Luarence Fishburne


• The Bodyguard: Domestic Total Gross: $121,945, 720 (in 1992) (Romance Starring Kevin Costner and Whitney Houston)

Group 8 - Sports Drama

• Rocky: Domestic Total Gross: $117,235,147 (in 1976) (Sports Drama Starring Sylvester Stallone)


• Ali: Domestic Total Gross: $58,203,105 (in 2001) (Sports Drama Starring Will Smith)
  

Group 9 - Drama

• The Last King of Scotland: Domestic Total Gross: $17,606,684 (Forest Whitaker won an Oscar for his role in this)


• Capote: Domestic Total Gross: $28,750,530 (Phillip Seymour Hoffman won an Oscar for his role)

Group 10 - War / Action set in Asia

• The Forbidden Kingdom: Domestic Total Gross: $52,075,270


• The Last Samurai: Domestic Total Gross: $111,127,263

Group 11 - Sci Fi

• Star Wars: Domestic Total Gross: $307,263,857 (in 1977)


• Empire Strikes Back: Domestic Total Gross: $209,398,025 (in 1980)


• Return of the Jedi: Domestic Total Gross: $252,583,617 (in 1983)


• Independence Day: Domestic Total Gross: $306,169,268 (in 1996) (the average ticket price in 1996 was twice what it was in 1977)
  

Now a look at the Box Office Top 10 for 3 consecutive Years - notice a pattern? Family Movies and Blockbusters Starring white men 99% of the time are ALWAYS the biggest earners. And they say women hold all the power in Hollywood?

• Year 2000 Box office top 10
  1 How the Grinch Stole Christmas $260,044,825 (Children's / Family Film)
  2 Cast Away $233,632,142 (Adventure / Drama - white male hero)
  3 Mission: Impossible II $215,409,889 (aciton / adventure - White male Hero)
  4 Gladiator $187,705,427 (Period drama / war / action - epic with broad appeal - white male hero)
  5 What Women Want $182,811,707 (Romantic Comedy starring one of Holly wood's most lusted after white male actors)
  6 The Perfect Storm $182,618,434 (Action / Adventure - big budget film)
  7 Meet the Parents $166,244,045 (Comedy - white male stars)
  8 X-Men $157,299,717 (superhero movie - broad appeal - mixed cast including black female)
  9 Scary Movie $157,019,771 ( Mock Horror - mixed cast - broad appeal)
  10 What Lies Beneath $155,464,351 (Thriller starring one of Hollywood's white male legends)
  


• Year 2001 Box Office Top 10
  1Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone $317,575,550 (Family movie - appeal to all age groups and both sexes - white male hero
  2 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring $313,364,114 (Fantasy / Action / Adventure appeal to both sexes and variety of age groups)
  3 Shrek $267,665,011 (Animated Movie with appeal for both adults and children)
  4 Monsters, Inc. $255,873,250 (animated - family Movie)
  5 Rush Hour 2 $226,164,286 (Buddy film / comedy - broad appeal - Black man & Asian Man)
  6 The Mummy Returns $202,019,785
  7 Pearl Harbor $198,542,554 (War /Period Drama/ Action / Romance appeal to men and women - White Men and Women)
  8 Ocean's Eleven $183,417,150 (Movie starring a number of Hollywood's leading (white)men)
  9 Jurassic Park III $181,171,875 (Block buster with big appeal to broad audience due to special effects. White Males and 1 white female)
  10 Planet of the Apes $180,011,740 (Sci Fi / action / adventure - Appeal to men. White male star)

• Year 2002 Top 10

1 Spider-Man $403,706,374 (Super Hero Movie - Appeals to Men, Women and Children / White Male Hero)

2 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers $339,789,881 (Fantasy / Action / Adventure with appeal to Men, Women, Children / White Male Heros)
3 Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones $302,191,252 (Sci Fi Fantasy / Adventure with appeal to mainly Men but also Women and Children - White Male Hero)
4 Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets $261,988,482 (Fantasy with appeal to Children women and men) White male (child) hero
5 My Big Fat Greek Wedding $241,438,208 (Romantic Comedy- ethnic) Greek Female
6 Signs $227,966,634
7 Austin Powers in Goldmember $213,307,889 (Comedy - appeal to adults of both sexes especially men - White Male Hero)
8 Men in Black II $190,418,803 (Sci Fi Action / Comedy Buddy Film - appeal to men and women and children - White male and black male heros)
9 Ice Age $176,387,405 (Children's / Family Movie - Animated)
10 Chicago $170,687,518 (Musical - widespread appeal - White Female Stars Black Female supporting actress)

The "logic" behind Harry's vision of Utopia

Note in the below when I refer to things like the superiority of White Men or Whiteness, this does not reflect my personal view of nor is the below an indictment of ALL White Men or even most White Men or of White Men married to or dating Women of Color, but only of the kind of White Men who love to bash White Women at White Women Suck.

This is merely my attempt to expose what I believe to be the truly warped, twisted and frightening mindset of the WWS crowd - or at least its most faithful fans. Mind you, the offensive notions expressed below are what I believe to be those cherished and held by the type of people who adore Harry's blog and are not my own. I do not think that privilege, class, moral / intellectual / physical superiority is the property of only one race or one gender of one race. However, the views expressed at White Women Suck lead me to believe that many posting and commenting there do think this way

In the eyes of the men and women at Harry's blog, Utopia would be where White Women are recognized as the ugly monsters they truly are and treated as such, and Black Men are ignored by the media and stopped from achieving any further success since they have achieved "more than enough" already, and other Men of Color continue to be adequately underrepresented so as to ensure dominant status for White Men for all Eternity. This, they believe, is what the natural state of affairs should be based on the worthiness and unworthiness of different groups. The only thing preventing this from happening are Evil White Women who are using their power that they did not earn but only possess thanks to their association with White Men. These men and women believe that, by breaking the association between White Men and White Women, White Women will cease to enjoy a privileged place in society, but White Men will continue to with women of color by their sides.

BLACK women, White men. Its impossible not to notice,
for they seem to be everywhere. On the pages of glossy magazines. Smiling
happily on television shows about the lifestyles of celebrities. Enduring trials
and tribulations on the daily soap operas

The above is an abstract of an EBONY magazine article. Wait a minute... I thought one of the beefs of the WWS fans is that the media totally underplays these relationships, but then Ebony a Black Women's Magazine says they are all over the place in the media... hmmm.... so what is all their beefing about if this is true? And why, if Halle is enjoying her white boy toy, can't they just leave poor old Tiger and Seal alone?

This goes back to the underlying racist and sexist notions they adhere to. I am sure those people at White Women Suck would be more comfortable back in the days before women could vote and were so presumptuous to think and act for themselves.

I am sure that they find Thomas Jefferson's dalliance with Sally Hemming romantic. I find it funny that they spend hours whining about how White Man / Black Woman relationships are downplayed in the media, but every time the media tells the story of Sally they "glorify" it as if it was some great epic romance. Hell! For centuries, society has been more approving of White Male / Non White Female relationships than the other way around. Pocahontas? In spite of the fact that I find it to be a kind of depressing story, it is glorified until this day.

Brave Native American Princess rescues Noble White Man from death at the hand
of Savage colored men. Later the princess is "rescued" from her life among
the savages by a Noble White Man blah blah blah.

I am not saying the story isn't true, in that I know Pocahantas John Smith and John Rolfe did exist, just that I suspect the light we choose to view it in has always been more rosy than realistic.

I can't think, off the top of my head, of any similar "love" stories between Men of Color and White Women that have been passed down through the ages for all of us to treasure. Sure, more than few White Women ended up married off to Native Americans, Arabs, etc. through history, but their tales are always portrayed as tragic and the men as their captors and masters. The not so subtle message being that white women who end up in such relationships / circumstances are unfortunate (to say the least.) The only very famous story with a White Woman and a Non White Man (if one wants to call a Moor not white ) was the Shakespeare play Othello, which surprise surprise, has the White Woman ending up murdered by her jealous non European husband. Sure Harry and his crowd will claim that White Women have been the ones playing the victim of their own accord, but they are not the ones who wrote, passed down and immortalized stories such as Othello. In our White Washed versions of history and classical literature, White Men are the only ones who are portrayed as being chivalrous and treating women "right." For example, Around the World in 80 Days where the Indian Woman is rescued from the Satee. The Satee was by all means a horrible tradition, and the British did a good thing by trying to end it, but still.... any stories that show a mixed race relationship in any kind of positive light involved a White Man and a Non White Woman, not the other way around. I would like to add that I might be wrong, but from what I recall, the British move to end such practices in the British Empire was during the reign of QUEEN Victoria - a White Woman. Also, it would be a good place to point out that compared to Arab Slave masters, White Men were the ones who kept and sold their own children by slave women in Slavery. Slave women of Arabs who gave birth to their masters' children were given wife status and the children recognized as lawful children regardless of their color and yet White Men still go down in History as the greatest of all Gentlemen.

Now "Harry" would like to claim that, on the one hand, White Women are controlling the messages out there, so they are to be blamed for the admiration of white beauty over all others, but on the other hand "he" would like to actually believe that white men are the gallant Prince Charmings that the classical take on the history of western civilization presents them to be. But how can both be true? Why would White Women, if they are the evil media controlling monsters that "he" makes them out to be, make White Men out to be the heroes of all the stories and make themselves mostly non existent? Really, it is amazing how little women have done over time. If one takes historical accounts for the sum total of all truth, women -with the exception of a few - have pretty much sat around on their butts for centuries doing nothing. The word History what does it mean? It means "HIS story" the story of human existence through the eyes of whatever men were / are holding power.

The type of men glorying in the bashing and blaming of White Women over on White Women Suck are the ones who resent the fact that White Women (as well as broader society in general) no longer seem thankful to White Men. That they have had the nerve to assume that they are the social equals of White Men, that they own their status, and that it is not dependent on whatever man they are associated with. That, as members of the racial majority, they claim the same rights and privileges as White Men, including their choice of partners for marriage or just plain sex.

Traditionally men have been the holders and assigners of status. This means that, while a man can elevate the social status of a woman he chooses to marry, it is significantly harder for a woman to elevate the social status for men they marry. This is the system sexist white males (or of any race) have been comfortable with for centuries. They "honor" a woman with their attentions. Their attentions validate and confirm her place in society. If you need evidence that this is true look at the traditional laws of succession and inheritance amongst European Nobility -as well as among most other cultures.

Princess Anne married a commoner and thus her children are without title, while her brother's (Prince Andrew) children by a commoner are Princesses. For
lesser female nobility, they lose their titles altogether if they marry "beneath
themselves".

In the eyes of such men, privilege is the birth right of White Men. It is up to them if they want to share it or not or bestow it or not. They alone are born with this right. White Women, in their opinion, should only enjoy privilege by proper subservient association with White Men. White Women are born with an association to a White Man - their fathers. Until they marry, they enjoy privilege by right of this association. Once they get married their primary association is with their husband, and therefore, their status at birth falls in line (or should in the eyes of such men) with that of their husband. They are not supposed to be able to elevate their husband's social status.

This is why they find couples like Tiger and his wife or Seal and Heidi -
particularly Seal and Heidi - especially threatening. Because these men have
already achieved fame and great wealth - the only thing missing (to a racist) is
"whiteness" thus by marrying a White Moman they are seen as trying to move into
the realm of whiteness and elevate their status and this is something that
racist White Men have fought vigilantly against for centuries. A Black Man /
White Woman power couple like Seal and Heidi is perhaps the most scary of all
for them. A Woman with wealth, clout and beauty, who could get any White Man she
wants, has chosen a very Black Man with wealth and star status. That must just
give the men over at WWS nightmares.

That is why the racist/sexist elements of our society are quick to ridicule, rich / famous / or "high class" women and the men they love, if those men happen to be poor / nobodies or not-so-famous / and from a less advantaged class. They try to make women and men feel ashamed for forming such alliances. They imply that she couldn't get anyone "better" and that he is just using her (and therefore less of man). However a guy is often portrayed as "heroic" for "rescuing" a lower class women from her inferior status by marrying her.

Back when women were of no consequence, racist White Men justified their oppression of and deprivation of the rights of other men, in terms of race:

"White is superior. We are white. Therefore we whites deserves to hold the
highest position in society."

They didn't really think about how this would affect White Women or other women, because women were nobodies to begin with, held no power, were no threat. Sure, White Women shared the genetic trait and bloodline that they claimed bestowed them with superiority at birth, but they were women and that made them inferior in and of itself, irrespective of race. The only value that White Women had over other women was that, when they mated with a White Man, they were able to produce White Male Heirs and therefore ensured propagation of the White Race and White Men in particular. Mating with other women produced Non White Men, and Non White Men were the competition, Therefore, official unions were not favored.

However, "the White Man" always wanted to be able to sample all kinds of women. Being of the racist pig variety did not stop him from wanting to screw Black Women, Native American Women, and any other women he could get his hands on. In fact the racist pig type of White Man was the worst offender in this regard. He had no intention of depriving himself of this pleasure, any less than any other race of man would deprive himself of it if he was in a position to enjoy it.

The laws against interracial marriage and, often, interracial sexual relations
were created (by White Men) for two reasons - 1) to keep white women from
enjoying the same freedom they enjoyed, and 2) to keep non white men from
aspiring to the same rights and social standing as white men, as well as (to a
lesser extent) to keep "low class" White Men from taking up with "Colored Women"
and creating a population of Non White People with rights equal to that of White
People. Therefore the privilege to screw at will would remain solely in the
hands of the upper class White Men.

Laws forbidding sex between different races never kept rich White Men from sleeping with other races of women. Before DNA and blood tests there was no way to pin fatherhood on any particular man. Sure, a Black Woman could try to claim her caramel colored baby was the child of a certain White Man, but who would believe the word of a woman over a man, or a Non White Person over a White Person, or a slave over a slave owner; so in reality, a White Man could never be "shamed" or held accountable for his dalliances with Black or other Colored Women. But while the paternity of a baby could be called into question and therefore the "crime" of interracial sex could not be pinned on a particular White Man, the maternity of a child is never a mystery. If a White Woman gave birth to a Non White baby she could be accused without any other proof necessary. The baby itself would be evidence of her "Crime". So while White Men could (and did) get away with sleeping with whatever kind of woman he wanted, with little risk to himself, White Women could not and therefore rarely did.

Some of the men at Harry's like to wax lyrical about Asian Women. Asian women are beautiful; a lot of people admire their beauty. Conversely, Asian men, are not generally admired for their hadnsomeness or masculinity, and you don't see White Women flocking to hook up with Asian Men, and especially not those from the Far East. Why is that?

Well, I was reading recently about when the Chinese and other Asian men were brought to the US, as indentured servants and to work on projects - like the railroad. Apparently, because only men came over and women of their race didn't, they started marrying White Women and White Men were having none of that so they outlawed it.

In the past, White Men spent a great deal of time trying to convince everyone - including women - that women are not sexual creatures. Men in general have historically found female sexuality threatening and different groups have men have taken different approaches to trying to keep it in check. Unlike men in some other cultures who tried to control it by restraining women physically. White men took another approach, and that was to keep telling them they weren't sexual creatures (or at least the "decent ones" among them ) until they believed it so that they were restrained mentally and emotionally. (And they call White Women manipulative.)

Upper class men "protected" their women by telling them that sex was a low and crude act, necessary for reproduction and something for men to enjoy with low class women of a base nature. This was quite clever actually. Once they had brainwashed their women into believing this, they were free to marry their woman of choice, who would produce suitable heirs, and turn a blind eye while they indulged their "animal nature" with all sorts of other women. They convinced their wives that they were doing them a favor by not subjecting them to such a "filthy act" every time they had the urge. They were able to persuade women, because women generally had lower levels of education and trusted men's opinions on most subjects. (Men had already convinced women they were of inferior intellect). While men were lauded for their sexual conquests, the few upper class women who took advantage of their wealth and position to enjoy a variety of lovers were branded with terrible reputations.

Having already established themselves as being of "superior intellect," White Men then set about convincing White Women that other men were undesirable for various reasons; they were: dirty, uncouth, lazy, slothful, smelly, etc. And the men who they found most physically threatening, due to their size or build, were branded as savages, animals, etc. - the objective being to distort women's vision when they met such men so that they viewed them in a negative, unmanly or inhuman light, and would not be attracted to them, or if they were still attracted, against their "better judgment", would feel ashamed of that attraction and never act on it.

So White Women stopped marrying Asian Men, and it wasn't until White American Men found themselves in the same situation those Asian Men once were in - strangers in a strange land with only foreign women to choose from - that marrying / copulating with Asians suddenly became OK. But the racist notions that they instilled before still hold sway, firmly entrenched in our society, and so Asian Men are still perceived as less than manly, smelly, dirty and other unappealing things, so that most other women don't give them a second thought and even Asian Women run after White Men. This is starting to change slowly, with White Women leading the way. Like their male counterparts they consider themselves to be without limits, with the right and privilege to choose whom they want. As White Men have begun to lose their power to control the way White Women think, the resentment of the most insecure among them has started to grow.

Things had been going pretty well for this kind of White Man, until their grip on power started to slip, slowly but surely. At first, they fought back (Civil War, KKK, Segregation Laws, resisting giving women and Black / Colored Men the right to vote). Which is why I find it so funny that they, on WWS, talk about how White Men have graciously shared center stage with Men of Color and women, when in fact other people had to fight their way there and still haven't fully arrived yet, though it certainly is a great thing that a Black Man is now president. What annoys me about their attitude is that they seem to think that they (White Men - the group traditionally holding power in our society) "granted this favor" out of their supreme goodness and benevolence, which is actually an insult to Men of Color and women, because it implies any success they have achieved was not fully earned. Such people like to pretend that the day the Civil War ended all was hunky dory in the lives of Black People and that everything is fine now, and if it isn't fine then it is by choice. Yes, some people do make choices that further worsen or maintain their condition instead of improving it, but that isn't everyone. Not everyone living in poverty "deserves" to be there, nor is it always so easy to get out of it or to rise above the shitty hands some are dealt.

So now we enter the 21st Century, where a few insecure White Men, who have not been able to adapt, are bewildered and angered by the state of affairs. A Black Man sits in the White House and White Women have let all of this equality mumbo jumbo go to their heads so that they not only want to be treated as equal to men but also are beginning to shed their fear of other men and see them as equal to White Men and valid choices for husbands and mates. More and more of them are not fulfilling their sole purpose, which is to adore, worship, and appreciate White Men (and only White Men) and produce little White Baby Boys. And so these men, who now live in a society that is no longer divided by race into upper and lower classes, have decided that their biggest enemy is White Women, because they have committed the unpardonable sin of being "disloyal" to White Men (even though the vast majority still exclusively date and marry White Men). They now wish to make it so that whiteness is only a criteria by which male superiority can be judged. They want to make clear, what their forefathers neglected to establish with certainty - that White Men and White Men alone are socially superior, that the superiority of White Women is dependent on White Men, and that they understand that it can be taken away from them. Therefore, they now claim superiority for White Men based on their accomplishments, contributions to mankind, and supposed benevolence and historical "good treatment" of women. According to them, only White Men have exhibited this kind of superiority, and it makes up for any shortcomings they might display or the "brief" several hundreds of years "blip" in history in which they dominated and appear to have oppressed the rest of the world. Women cannot share in these glories, they say, because they have contributed nothing - they point to history as "proof" of this. This also serves to White Wash their racist past, because, if all along their superiority as White Men was earned, based on superior achievements and not skin color alone, then it was only White Women and others who mistook skin color for being the defining issue. Therefore racism is actually the invention of White Women because they wanted to share in the glory of White Men. This is also why they claim their remarks that they make over there about White Women and Black Men are not some warped kind of racism, because they are "simply showing that those groups are historically under achieving, self serving brutes and bitches and not deserving of any special recognition or treatment" and since "history" = fact (at least when it comes to this - they are kind of selective about what they accept as fact and only pick what serves whatever point they are trying to make and ignore everything else) they are "simply pointing out facts" and therefore it is not racism.

In Harry's Utopia, privilege and social standing would remain squarely in the hands of White Men and it would be for them to hand out to the deserving and they would graciously "honor" non white women with their attentions and protection, because they now realize they have earned it by centuries of patiently enduring as second choice, getting screwed and getting nothing in return from white men, and take this privilege away from undeserving White Women who clearly are not grateful for everything (White) men have done for them.

The Women of Color who share this vision of Utopia with them wish to be endowed with "honorary or symbolic whiteness" by association with White Men. That is the sad truth. If it wasn't so, those women wouldn't be obsessing about having White Men and would be looking for simply "a good man" without clarifying the race of the man they are looking for. But because they are hung up on color and the status they believe it imparts in our society, they are obviously obsessed with the whiteness of the men they are with or want to be with and desire to be embraced by the protective arms of White (male) Society. They resent that some women are born within this embrace and have not had to earn it, thus they seek to cast them out.

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Of course, the implications of this twisted gender specific racist thinking on the next generation has not been clearly thought out. They don't seem to realize that the expulsion of White Women from the fold of whiteness will result in the extinction of whiteness altogether, that in order to preserve White Men as an entity there must always be White Women coupling with White Men. That the progeny of White Men and Non White Women will be physically indistinguishable from the progeny of White Women and Non White Men ( a coupling that they sneer at and look down on and wish that society would reject and revile). That the more Women of Color go with White Men, the more Men of Color will end up with White Women. I don't know how they will deal with these issues, how they will distinguish between unworthy (from White Women and MoC) mixed race children and worthy (from White Men and WoC) ones. And how they will explain their reasoning to their children. How will they explain to their sons that they can never quite be the man their father is because they aren't White Men? And, quite frankly, I don't want to know, the idea scares me.

The Virtue of Anger? Give me a break

In the latest White Women Suck post Harry says:

"People often confuse anger with hatred. Perhaps this is why people accuse this site of being a "hate" site. This site is not about hatred. It is about anger. All of the people who oppose this blog have one thing in common. They criticize the tone. Nobody doubts that white women are on a pedestal. They just don't like how I go about addressing it. But in order to bring about change, it is necessary to first make people angry. In order to make people angry, it is necessary to show just how unfair the situation is."

It's not about hate is it? Let's see if that is so...

Below are some quotes from comments left by Harry's fans. If the majority of these things were said about non white women, the person saying them would be accused of "hate speech" and being a racist. They claim they engage in intellectual dialogue, yet I was able to find countless comments that were anything but that. Please note that these quotes are from only one or two posts and don't amount to even a 1 / 100th of similar or worse irrelevant and/ or hateful / bashing comments.

"I think this whole white "beauty" myth is finally starting to collapse. Trashy white women like this one need to hear what the rest of the world usually knows about them.BTW, in my circle of friends, and we are mostly well educated Latin men, we tend to call them "stinkies."You have never smelled something putrid, until you have smelled a stinky white person - holding a finger to my nose Ewwwwwuiiiii...." - Anonymous Latino Man; November 16, 2008 5:14 PM
wow can you imagine if a white woman the nerve to refer to another race of people as "stinkies" what they would say about her. If this isn't hateful and racist I don't know what is. As far as I know, all colors and genders of human beings are capable of smelling bad if they don't take care of their hygiene.


"White women in fact are beneath Asian women, who are everything from more physically attractive to more feminine, to more intelligent and responsible, to more compatible and approachable." - Anonymous White Male; November 16, 2008 11:56 PM
This commenter posts there frequently about the glories of Asian women. He considers himself incredibly intelligent. He managed to piss of a large number of Black Female Posters with his odes to Asian womanhood and his arrogance. He obviously thinks that it is an undisputed fact that White Men are superior to all men and the choice/ most sought after mates among all women. He therefore thinks women need to jump through hoops to "get" a white man.

"Hey white women, go be lesbians because white men don't care! We have other, better options." - Iguana (White Man); November 18, 2008 7:36 PM
I'm just stunned by the maturity level displayed by commenters there.

The fact is that White women think they are the best-looking women around, and if they see a non-White woman who looks attractive AND seems confident in herself, they devote their entire existence to trying to knock that woman down (even to the detriment of everything else, like that girl who allowed herself to fail the class). Beauty is everything to a White woman. Without people thinking she's the most beautiful around, she has nothing, and she knows it.
- V (posting as Anonymous) January 6, 2009 7:08 PM
I have already introduced V to y'all earlier (see my only post about their "only trash dates the black men" conversation.) While going through the blog to get these quotes, I realized just how often V posts there. It really is sad. V doesn't like other people to presume they can read her at all; however, she possesses the miraculous ability to read the minds of all white women.


"If men considered natural beauty, almost no white woman would even be in the running. Most of these "beautiful" white celebrities look terrible without makeup, just like your average white woman does when you wake up beside her in the morning and want to run screaming into the streets." - V January 26, 2009 8:15 PM
Wow, and if a white woman said this about black women, what would she be accused of? We all know the answer. FYI, most female celebrities of ANY RACE rely on makeup and other fake means to enhance their looks.


"Looks and talent do NOT match their hype:Katherine HieglKate BosworthPamela AndersonGwyneth PaltrowKirsten DunstReese WithspoonRenee "lemon face" ZellwegerScarlet JohanssonCameron Diaz (the press tried so hard to link her to Gerard Butler because they're threatened by his TRUE preference)Britney MurphyKristen BellSienna MillerAshley TisdaleJessica SimpsonCarrie UnderwoodHelen Hunt (was Mel Gibson's leading lady?? REALLY?)Paris HiltonTiger Woods' nanny wifeKate Hudson"
- BadBlackKitty January 27, 2009 5:31 AM

This is an intellectual discussion? First, I thought beauty was in the eye of the beholder. These women clearly don't have a problem with beauty standards being dictated to the general population as they claim. They just want the beauty standard to be a different one. Notice the bit about Tiger Wood's wife. She isn't an actress. She married some guy that is why she is known. Apparently they think Tiger needs to love whomever THEY tell him to. And, what does her being a former nanny have to do with anything? Nannies aren't capable of being pretty? Furthermore, what does someone's wife's looks have to do with protest against social injustice. I guess they think it is a social injustice that a famous multiracial man didn't pick a black woman to marry?

*******CO-SIGNING THIS LIST TO THE FULLEST!!!!!!!Might I add: Jennifer Aniston Drew Barrymore Sarah Michelle Gellar Jennifer Gardner Im trying to figure out why these plain, ho-hum ww are deemed "beautiful" I've must have missed the memo =/
- BWF January 27, 2009 10:07 AM
Again, I don't see how their personal opinions about who is pretty / not pretty has anything to do with what they claim the purpose of the blog is. I don't think all of these women are beautiful, but as beautiful is a matter of opinion, who am I to say that they are not beautiful to anyone. But, I think Jenifer Garner, for example, is pretty and very cute. Something about her comes across as extremely likable. I can see why she is popular. Clearly something about her personality makes he more appealing to Ben Affleck than J-lo.

"A lot of ww should thank God for peroxide."Add makeup and plastic surgery to that too!!
- DesiArnezJunior January 27, 2009 3:31 PM
I know ALOT of white women who don't wear make up at all. Certain groups of WoC LOVE makeup and rely on it heavily, so again, what is their point?

First, I have watched this Doctor 90210 show several times. There are many women on there getting MAJOR work done who are WoC. Recently I saw an episode where a young black woman got her arms re-sized, a tummy tuck and breast implants / lift. I have no idea why she had so much saggy / extra skin on her body at her age, because I missed the very beginning. But, yes, the majority are white women, but white women are the majority of women in the country aren't they? Second, women who have money are more likely to get "procedures" than poor ones and white women as a group have more money. Third, in certain parts of Latin America and the Middle East, plastic surgery is wildly popular too. Fourth, white men get procedures done as well, they are just more embarrassed to admit it but sometimes they can't hide it - Mickey Rourke (for example). Last of all, what does white women having plastic surgery, using peroxide and wearing makeup have to do with their "cause"? Really?

I'd like to add the following names to the list:Winona Ryder, Cate Blanchett, Roseanne Barr, Rosie O'Donnell, Sandra Bernhard
-Crocodile Man January 27, 2009 10:14 PM
Apparently Crocodile Man is an idiot. The last three women on his list never claimed to be beautiful. They are not famous for being good looking, if anything they are famous for the opposite. But like most of the men on there I guess he thinks that all women should ever care about is their looks and that only "hot" women deserve to be successful. Again, just because he doesn't think Winona or Cate are ugly doesn't mean other men or women would agree. I think Winona is pretty in an impish sort of way and Cate is very graceful. Winona certainly doesn't look masculine with her huge brown eyes. Also (and they seem to like to overlook this) they both can act quite well. Cate is a GREAT actress in my opinion.

my game isn't at all to keep white women with me or to get them back to me. My game is to help fellow white men get over white women and to get rid of them, because to my experience it's in their best interests to do so.
- Anonymous January 28, 2009 5:12 AM
get rid of them? is he advocating divorce?

I know this one will be a shocker...there are some out here who differ from the vast majority of White women and Black men in that we actually stay faithful to our commitments
- V January 28, 2009 8:03 AM
V takes a dig at black men and black women here. The vast majority of white women are not unfaithful. They are certainly not less faithful than white men are. The white men over there are the sort of men who think women should take whatever crap a man hands them. They resent the fact that white western women have the option to divorce their sorry asses if they cheat or are bad husbands.

White women in my opinion (on average) either look like Roseanne when they are chubby, or straight up and down when they are thin. Beyonce is thin, but she has an Hour Glass shape because it's genetic. No amount of trying will make Kate Moss look like Beyonce and vice versa.
I could go and bring up countless examples of overweight shapeless or underweight shapeless women of color of every race if I wanted to - does that prove anything about all? ,
Beyonce has WAY more weight (fat) on her than Moss does. If Moss gained weight she would have more curves (and probably look a lot better). I can't stand Moss, by the way.

But to compare them as if they are in the same height /weight ratio range is stupid. If they were Kate, who is borderline skeletal would be sporting more curves than she has right now. She actually doesn't have straight up and down hips - she has that weird gap between her legs that makes her hips look wide... but that is a whole 'nother story. In my opinion, is Beyonce better looking than Kate, yes I think she is but again it is irrelevant. They are both very rich and very famous women. I would say Beyonce is more famous and has more fans than Kate, so what is their point? How does this prove anything for them?

What I mean is that white women don't seem to put on weight in their hips and maintain a narrow waist when they gain extra pounds on average. I hate it when fat white women claim they are "curvy". There is a huge difference between putting on weight in your arms and stomach versus your hips, thies, and butt. Queen Latifah for example, has a body like many white women when they gain weight. (weight in arms and stomach as opposed to hips and thies like many bw). This is why the "hips to waist ratio" that is fairly new is a more accurate alternative in my humble opinion. A round butt is muscular, obviously, because morbidly obese people have flabby flat butts. Serena Williams is practically solid muscle, has trained her whole life, and has a huge butt and big thies, because that's what muscle mass LOOKS LIKE on women. lol A mesomorphic man has a waist much narrower than his arms and shoulders, and a mesomorphic woman has a waist much narrower than her thies and hips. That's just how it is. Women carry muscle differently (in their lower body) that's all. Muscle weighs more than fat also, so it doesn't surprise me that even naturally athletic black women get called "overweight" when they get on a scale. (rant sorry, i'm gonna tone down these rants of mine if it kills me) lol :-P Just thinking of how white women's beauty standards translate into every facet of life including "logic" and science.
- Ashe (Another frequenter commenter who clearly has NO life) January 28, 2009 9:50 AM

First: Ashe the word is THIGHS - she throws in words like mesomorphic so people don't dare question her but like her spelling of thighs, what she is saying is actually a load of factually incorrect crap, based at trying to make people see white women as ugly fat slobs. Why is this necessary in their righteous agenda?

Funny how she uses Queen Latifah as an example of how White women put on weight? WTF?
I think Queen Latifah is beautiful, but that aside, I have seen every shape of white woman, from incredibly curvy like Kim K to boyish like Cameron Diaz. I know plenty who have small waists and larger rear ends and who put on weight in their lower portions. I noticed they started squabbling over Salma Hayek and if she is white or not. I looked it up, technically she is, but this is why they probably don't want to admit it, because she is curvy and they know men find her super sexy.

Also, and the below is by no means meant to imply / prove that black women are less good looking than white women, because statistics about fat distribution in a general population of people don't prove that. For example, Queen Latifah is fat as she pointed out and she is beautiful. Also my point here is not to make any group look better than the other. But to expose their lact of respect for actual fact in what they say, I am posting the following to demonstrate how little grounding their arguments have in fact and science (on top of how irrelevant they are as well.)

Taken from hearthealthywomen.org
Is diabetes common in African-American women?

Diabetes is particularly widespread in African-American women. One in four African-American women older than 55 years of age has diabetes, nearly twice the rate of white women. African Americans experience higher rates of complications and medical visits due to diabetes compared with white women.14Several factors contribute to the higher rate of diabetes in African-American women. Research suggests that many African Americans carry a gene that predisposes them toward impaired glucose tolerance, one of the risk factors for diabetes.

African-American women are also more likely to be obese, another risk factor for diabetes. African-American women between the ages of 25 and 74 are more overweight compared to white women of the same age group. The location of body fat also plays a role. Women who have most of their body fat around the belly (“apple-shaped”) are at higher risk for diabetes than women who carry their weight on their hips and buttocks (“pear-shaped”). African-American women are more likely than white women to be apple-shaped.

Now mind you, the above is NOT taken from a hate blog bashing black women. It is taken from a women's health web site. I don't know about anyone else, but put more weight on information from a healthy heart website than on the "expert" commentary over at Harry's.

AND also, if even it were true that white women put on fat that way more than other women. Even if all white women were obese, what exactly does pointing it out have to do with righting social injustices? Beauty standards don't necessarily make sense. They are not fixed in stone. Fat once was considered beautiful and still is in some African communities.

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I don't think most White women "like" men. It's really just about them and what they can get for themselves when they become involved with a man, such as money, attention, or excitement.

.... the rich ones don't bother with marriage (or jump from marriage to marriage) and instead spend their lives bed-hopping because they want constant attention from as many men as possible in order to feed their own egos. The everyday ones marry only for financial security. That's why even though a lot of White women "date" interracially, the percentage of those who actually marry interracially is very small in comparison. They choose White men for marriage because White men have a higher rate of economic success. Usually, the only Black men who White women actually marry are sports stars, and other Black men who are well-off financially.

~V January 29, 2009 7:19 PM

Again, V presumes to speak for a group of people that she does not belong to and clearly hates.
Most white women don't like men? If this was true most white women wouldn't be married, which they are. Two parent homes with white mothers would not exist.

I've always wondered why people say White women have soft features when almost none do. Most of them actually have very hard, sharp, solid features, with the lips flat, thin, and severe-looking, and sharp, severe-looking noses. Those features don't look feminine to me - they look masculine.
All the other ethnicities of women tend to have softer noses and naturally full, soft, beautiful curvy-shaped. .... you'll see that the typical facial features (nose and lips) of Asian women and Black women are very similar. Look very closely at the typical facial features of women of other ethnicities and compare them with those your average White women, and tell me who really has the "softer" features.
~V January 29, 2009 10:45 PM
So again, V wants HER opinion to be the accepted beauty ideal. And again she is harping on looks. So, attacking the physical appearance of white women isn't bashing or hateful? What if a white woman picked apart black or Asian female features in a similar way, with the objective being to make them sound unattractive? Furthermore she is again broadly generalizing. I wont be so mean as to point out other groups of people that have big awkward nose or pinched features. There is no uniformly good looking or bad looking group of people.

This might be kinda *extreme* but I really think lipstick was made initially so that white women could achieve fuller healthier looking plump lips that non-white women have naturally.
- Ashe January 30, 2009 8:25 AM
So the red paint on Geisha lips is what? I love how intellectual this commentary is.

"There's also a very small subset of white women who actually are born with measures of substance and quality. Outside of this absolute minority, the rest of them are and always have been trash compared to the other women of the world. Granted, not in absolute terms. But when compared to Asian women and black women, there's just hardly any question about it. It's a truth that has become painfully obvious and self-evident for everyone involved."
- Anonymous white male January 30, 2009 9:06 AM
absolute minority? ARE and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN TRASH? This is not hate speech?

Makeup is designed for White women. Most everyday non-White women wear very little to no makeup because most of us don't need it. On the other hand, most everyday White women say that they can't leave the house without makeup. I had a blonde friend (or should I say "friend"...because that's the same backstabber who desperately tried but failed to seduce my White then-boyfriend now-fiance) who used to say that, and also used to ask me if I was afraid to let my then-BF now-fiance see me right when I wake up in the morning. She said that's the only thing she hates about her BF staying over, him seeing her first thing in the morning before she'd put on any makeup.
~V January 30, 2009 4:11 PM
Yet another persecution saga from V - she has so many of these stories -she obviously treasures them - mulls over them, reassuring herself that they give her the right to be as hateful as she likes. I have already discussed makeup. Makeup predates the rise of western civilization and has been in use in some form or another by women AND men from a variety of cultures around the world. Makeup was used by Egyptians, Geisha used full makeup - completely painted on faces and this was considered attractive. In the modern world, Indian and Arab (black and white Arabs I might add) and Latin women are often big offenders when it comes to using way too much makeup. There are the "I can't leave my house without my face" women of all races.

I'm a white male and consequently know plenty of white girls and white women, directly as well as indirectly. Out of the entire collection of white women I have in my familial, social and professional circles, I can name but one who even comes close to the intelligence and substance of the black girl on this blog who goes by the nickname of 'Ashe'.
- Anonymous January 31, 2009 3:15 AM
Wow, his mother would be glad to hear this. I guess his family members don't know how to spell thighs either. Anyway, this just convinces me of the sort of dysfunctional backgrounds these men come from. Not the norm definitely. Most normal white men would not speak so ill of their mother, sisters, grandmother, cousins, aunts.

Not too toot my own horn or anything, but I'm a very attractive and fit young black girl with light skin, not unlike Rihanna's appearance, but with a better tummy and longer hair. (not to toot my own horn, but I will... & better tummy and long hair? again notice the hair issue) Last night I went out to a rock club and even though rock music is my preferred type, I tend to stay away from the clubs because of the WW worship I see all around me. Anyway, there was this blonde girl standing next to these two white guys. One of the guys did this adorable quirky little dance move, and I smiled at him and laughed because it was cute and different. The blonde whom he obviously did it to impress/make laugh just rolled her eyes and started looking around and dancing slutty hoping people would be watching her. Him and I locked eyes and made eye contact, and I knew he saw that I thought he was cute/funny, but he just shrugged and stayed where he was. (Maybe he knew you thought he was cute but didn't give a shit? )There were several examples of this behavior all night. There was a very pretty white girl in a red microminidress, and we saw her making out with no less than 3 guys throughout the night. And dancing with many more. No matter how untoward their behavior, there were plenty of guys willing to grab them and start dancing with them. My girlfriend that I went with is a white woman with a great personality (one of few white girls I could stand going to my all-white high school several years ago), but it should be noted that she has actually lost 100 pounds of body mass (I believe that this is how her personality got to be so sweet... all throughout her formative years she was overweight, so it's just now she's experiencing attention from boys and she never really had the opportunity in high school to develop the massive ego that white girls usually do in those years. (I wonder what is the actual facutal proof that they have other than their own imaginations that most white girls develop massive egos in highschool? But they don't need facts do they? So...that's why white girls suffer from eating disorders during those years and have all sorts of self esteem problems? If anything her self description sounds like she is the one with a massive ego.) Anyway, she's a great girl but even now when she's skinny, she is sort of homely looking. (what a good friend - tlaking about how homely her sweet friend is. If a white girl spoke about her non white friend this way HP and crew would accuse her of bein arrogant, etc.) Nevertheless, at least 4 guys grabbed her last night and started dancing with her. (maybe she isn't as homely to them as you think she is, maybe this commenter isn't as good looking as she claim to be? Maybe she is and her massive ego is written all over her face? Who knows)

Anonymous - January 31, 2009 9:16 AM

I think black women who go for white guys (I happen to be one of them) have entirely different reasons for doing so than white and Asian women do. (I included Asian women because my friend from the gym who is very good-looking recently got dumped by his Asian girlfriend for failing to make enough money to impress her. In the city where I live Asian women are highly sought after and many have developed the same superiority complex as their WW counterparts – only good-looking guys when young, only guys with money when older.
- Anonymous January 31, 2009 9:26 AM
Again what does this have to do with social injustice? And now the blog has become about how bad Asian women and white women are?

This highlights a unique fact about white women - among all the races, white women become the most ugly as the age! Not only do they become more ugly in appearance, but they become more ugly in demeanor. This is because white women are so narcissistic. When they are younger, they are used to being put on a pedestal and believing they are hot. As they age and loose the bloom of youth, and become more and more ugly, they become bitter and angry. This is a natural response for a narcissist that needs attention in order to have a sense of self worth.
- Iguana February 2, 2009 9:04 AM
Again, love it when a member of one group presumes to speak for what the members of another group think about themselves. And again, I have seen women of all kinds who age well and who age badly, and who are mean / bitter. Again, this is an intellectual protest?


I agree with you about Ann Coulter been a model of WW. She is clearly in constant need for attention and will do anything to get some, just like many other WW. Nevertheless, I think that she is probably just a good actress who has discovered an easy way to get money and attention.Speaking of fictional characters, I believe that Cruella de Vil would be a closer model of WW than Ann Coulter, especially for older WW.
- Gorrion (White Man) January 7, 2009 8:39 PM
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I don't give a damn who disagrees with me. Yes Ann pig Coulter IS typical of White women, and the pathetic defense of her IS typical White female worship. NOBODY is going to bully me into not speaking out against this sickening White female worship, PERIOD.
Anonymous (possible Clarice who said it first about Ann) January 23, 2009 7:08 PM
been? So if a white woman went and found the worst example of a white man / black woman and said he /she were the model of that group, that wouldn't be considered hateful?

If white women don't want attention, then why do white women make up nearly the entire market for plastic surgery? And why are white women the only women who "Go Crazy" on Girls Gone Wild? Because they are the only ones who will do it for free. If they're not doing it for attention, then what are they doing it for?
Harry Potter December 17, 2008 11:03 AM

White women are the majority of women, therefore there are likely to be more of them doing any number of things in Western countries. But they are by no means the ONLY ones doing them. They are NOT the ONLY women on Girls Gone Wild.

Tell me Harry how is telling lies righteous anger?

"Kim K and her skank sisters and there are so many others who are put on a pedestal simply because of their whiteness."Kim is Armenian! She's funny though, in a fake way!!She is Armenian yet she pays for a black woman's body and has the personality and mindset of a ditzy Paris Hiltonesque white girl!! As fake as fake can get! Have you seen her show? I can't watch more than two minutes without wanting to scratch my own ears out!!!
- Anonymous December 20, 2008 8:03 PM
She looks as white as Salman Hayek. Also her body is real, looks like they are hating on her because she is "white AND has an hourglass figure, big full rear end, and big boobs too -all naturally!" (By the way I agree that she has little substance to her - but her body is real)

"I guess we Black women are "prudes" in your view because we're not out sleeping with dogs, horses and donkeys or men and women of any and all ethnicities who will have us, then releasing a video of it for public entertainment and calling the whole thing "sexual liberation" as White women do. If you White women want the title of being the most sexually liberated, then please feel free to take it, because you won't see any fight here in your race to the bottom."

- Anonymous (who I am positive is really V) December 29, 2008 8:35 PM

The strong implication being that this is what MOST white women do... not hate speech eh?


I will post more quotes in the future to further break down their pretense of being a group of intellectuals concerned with social reform.

Survivor Tocantins - who is calling the shots?

A couple weeks back, one of Harry's crew "Bren" started talking about Survivor Tocantins, when one of the two African American women was voted off. Mind you, the point of everything they bring up there is to prove that white women are awful.

Here's what "Bren" had to say:

"The smoking hot black woman on Survivor got voted off last week, in spite of being the strongest woman on her team. Here's her take on one of her white female teammates:RNO: Were you surprised at the time that even Erinn voted against you? Candace: There’s a lot you didn’t see in this episode, but Erinn is highly insecure and was very intimidated by me from the very beginning. Like she couldn’t believe I looked [so good] without makeup. She was like fascinated with me. It was to the point of being slightly stalkerish. I knew there was no way she would want me to stay around and I completely understand....Erinn wanted to get rid of me ‘cus I’m hot.

She sounds a little conceited, but her experience is totally in line with what many WOC experience from jealous ww. http://www.realitynewsonline.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=1&article=article8677.art&page=1&no_cj_c=1"

First, I have to hand it to Bren for at least admitting that Candace sounds a little conceited. Though I would lose the words a little in that sentence and replace them with quite.

Second, I have watched almost every episode of Survivor Tocantins that has aired so far, including that one. I would like to say that I think none of the women are/were smoking hot, including the two blonds who are supposedly models. But that is just my opinion. Candace was okay looking, she looked better than the model on her tribe, but she didn't look any better without make up than the model on the other tribe. I'm not saying this because I think blonds are hot. I don't really like blond hair, but I do realize that is just my personal preference / taste, and that being born with blond hair doesn't automatically make someone ugly or bad. In spite of not caring that much for blond hair, I still think some blonds are quite attractive. For me beauty lies more in the combination of features than in the color of anything (hair, eyes, or skin). In this case however, I didn't find Candace or the blonds exceptionally attractive, just normal. But she does have a nice figure.

Third, it sounds like Candace is blaming it ALL on Erinn, who is an outsider in the tribe and has the power to influence NO ONE. Sounds to me like Candace is in denial that all the head white guys on her tribe found her bossy and overbearing and wanted to get rid of her. Of course believing that she is hot would mean that she thinks that all/most men think she is hot, and therefore all the men wanting to get rid of her would sort of call that into question or perhaps make her doubt her own hotness, wouldn't it? Women who obsess about their own hotness, tend to be the type who are jealous of other women and assume other women are jealous of them too. They are the ones who don't realize that a good personality is a great thing to have.

The black woman (Taj) on the other team, in spite of being overweight and being sent to exile island several times, hasn't been voted off yet. In fact she has even managed to make an alliance with a handsome young white guy on the other tribe. An alliance that Candace was not able to make even though she was on the same tribe with him. Maybe it's because Taj isn't irritating, bossy and full of herself? Taj is strong too, but she isn't overbearing. She is more likable. Still I fear she will be voted off soon, because the head white guy on her tribe calling the shots hasn't "bonded" with her yet because of all of her time on exile island and eventually they will have to vote off even people they like.

Yes I know they don't show us everything that goes on at camp, and they edit it the way that they think will be most interesting for viewers. But here's the thing, if Erinn was really weirdly stalkerish about Candace, I think they would have included that, because the viewers might find it interesting.

Here's what I observed when watching that episode and other ones:

There is a white guy on Candace's tribe, that everyone calls "Coach." He is supposedly some worldly soccer coach - or maybe I am just assuming he is a soccer coach from his hairdo. Anyway, he has an enormous ego. In spite of being fairly useless at most of the physical challenges, he somehow has a loyal following, and everyone else who is not in his immediate circle just feels like an outsider and goes along with what his gang says so that they are on the chopping block next - including Erinn.

Coach clashed with Candace and saw her as a threat to his "rule" so he got her out. I don't think Erinn or the black guy necessarily wanted her off, but they went with the flow so that he wouldn't see them as enemies.

Actually, in my opinion, Candace wasn't that bad, but she was strong and a bit bossy (and apparently conceited too, though I didn't see that in any episode she was in), and unfortunately to a wimpy man like Coach, who wants to be the boss, that is enough to be threatening. No one is more afraid of a strong woman than a wimpy, insecure man.

Still, somehow, to Harry and friends, this is all the fault of all white women. Otherwise, why bring it up on the White Women Suck blog? I really find it amazing how something, (if you are so stupid to think that things like this demonstrate the "suckiness" of a group of people instead of individuals) that more than anything demonstrates negative things about white MEN is being blamed on a white under dog woman, and by extension, ALL white women.

I personally think that Erinn was the least to blame for Candace being voted off. She was friends with Candace, but she found out everyone else was voting against Candace,. She was an outsider and maybe a bit spineless, and she knew her one vote wouldn't have made a difference anyway. Second least to blame is the black guy. I think his first choice would have been the sickly, weak model, Sierra. The black guy who is a former military officer, was voted off by Coach next; I personally think Coach was afraid that he might be the quiet strong type that people might rely on with time.

Even if Erinn was insecure, that doesn't change the fact that she has NO POWER on the team and that Candace being voted out was masterminded by Coach - a white man.

I hope they wake up and vote Coach off. So far he hasn't scored any points (that I can recall) for his team in any challenge... I agree with Erinn that he is full of it.

Last I would like to point that Survivor is a GAME - everyone on there wants to win the $1 Million. Why should Erinn (or anyone else) look out for someone else's interests over their own?

I also think it is interesting to note that on Survivor, white men usually manipulate everyone, and, for the most part, get a bunch of women to follow them and do whatever they say. This seems to be sort of instinctive - it is assumed that a man will be the leader.

I thought white women control everything?

Latest topic at Harry's: Michael Strahan

Well the ignorance over on the White Women Suck blog is mounting - in their latest post they have displayed their total stupidity so many times in relation to a variety of topics that I don't even know where to begin. I had a great laugh this morning reading the latest...

Let's see ...where shall I begin?? I think with the last bit about Michael Strahan - first they dig out this stuff about his acrimonious divorce from his white wife. From what I have read in the divorce she took him to the cleaners or is trying to or whatever. None of this really interests me. Now one of them has posted this:

anonymous said:

"http://www.nypost.com/seven/01162007/news/regionalnews/strahan_wife_bares_her_ex_tasy_regionalnews_jeane_macintosh.htm http://www.xxlmag.com/mb/lofiversion/index.php/t27281.html http://withleather.uproxx.com/2007/04/michael-strahans-exwife-is-a-total-bitch

Add Michael Strahan to the list of celebrities that have fallen victim to white women via divorce."

and

anonymous said: "http://www.theinsider.com/news/281943_Michael_Strahan_Dating_Eddie_Murphy_s_Ex
Strahan's is back to black women now! LOL I love it!"

I just love how sloppy they become in their glee when they supposedly find proof of how evil white women are - I can picture them, hair all messed up, wild eyed and foaming at the mouth as they write these things... it's great for me, because they are so sure they have found something good to sink their teeth in that they don't read much more on the topic. They also ignore the fact that the New York post article is talking about how she was finally vindicated (after years of people - like the Harry crew calling her an evil gold digger) when the court listened to the evidence about his mistress. The other one is some guy's opinion about the whole thing.

I didn't live with them, so I am not going to take sides so I will present what I have read so far from both angles:

One the one hand, the man did cheat on his wife, so there might be a reason for her to be a bit vindictive or go for the jugular. Also, I am sure if she was a black woman and he cheated on her, then the crew at Harry's would be ripping into for cheating, but they are ignoring that bit now so they can attack her. Shows how they pick and choose their news and apply standards differently depending on who they are talking about.

Also why in hell did he sign a prenuptial and THEN cheat?

On the other hand, I feel bad for him if she cleans him out. Some of her demands sound a bit crazy. 2o something thousand dollar photo shoots?

These are all things that should be taken into account when considering this - the WHOLE picture - if one is so inclined to read up on such things. I am not normally so inclined, but since I enjoy pointing out the idiocy of the White Women Suck crowd I did.

Another thing that I think is really sad is how they are so happy to hear about the break up of a marriage involving children, just because the mother is white. Really, really sad and sick.

But wait.... it gets even better; they are ignoring the latest bit in this drama.

TO the Stupid anonymous poster at Harry's:

Whoever you are, THAT is old news; the latest news regard Michael Strahan is this:

http://hellobeautiful.blackplanet.com/your-world/nicole-murphy-caught-cheating/

and they say only white women cuckold their men.

Also funny is that Nicole Murphy is exactly the kind of black woman they hate on for being a light skinned woman with more "anglo"features, but suddenly they are talking about her like she is the blackest of black. If the relationship had lasted longer they probably would have eventually got back around to hating on him for preferring a light skinned black woman and how that is SO TYPICAL of black men.

ALSO, and here's the funniest part of it all, he's a black man, I thought they don't care what black men do or who they are with?